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life_wo_fanlib2007-06-24 08:35 pm
scarah2.livejournal.com) wrote in life_wo_fanlib2007-06-24 08:35 pm
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Mythology about people who don't like FanLib
So the ruckus forum thread got bumped again, and the newer posts in it represents one of the more irritating fallacies about anyone who has a problem with FanLib.
I too am puzzled by all the venom and brouhaha. TPTB know that in all except the most egregious cases (few and far between) fanfic actually boosts interest in their "product" be it films, tv series, etc and even extends the life of those that are no longer in production. Fanfic writers buy dvd's, novelizations, and attend cons and all of those support fandoms and of course benefit TPTB. High/low profile is a myth anyway... if you can Google for fan fic communities so can Sony and CBS, and Paramount etc.
Of course they can. I don't think anyone believes otherwise. So far, most IP holders have been pretty cool about their stuff getting ficced. They can afford this luxury, since no one's really been you know, throwing investor dollars at promoting the fic and/or shoving it in the creators' faces, which are pretty much the stated goals of FanLib. No one thinks other archives are somehow invisible from TPTB. What concerns many of us is the possible upset of this delicate symbiosis that's worked so well for so long.
I'm not sure how the cooperation between Fanlib and CBS came about but it was kind of like inviting the neighbors to your party to avoid complaints, win/win.
To take this analogy a step further, what if the neighbors get to your party and discover you have naked posters of them hanging in your bathroom? Remember folks, FanLib allows adult stories. And the biggest body of stories there are based on the work of a creator who's said publicly she doesn't appreciate the hard stuff all too much.
I just don't understand the uproar. Fanlib would be shut down already if TPTB had generic fanfic-oriented copyright concerns. I say relax and enjoy!
One more time: FanLib is trying to invent itself as something that is not just another archive. It's not "generic fanfic-oriented copyright concerns" that I think is worrying anyone, except as they may or may not be wielded as leverage once the ball of our very specific FanLib based concerns has dropped.
Next a mod post from the ever-logical bryson:
I have a kind of opinion about this. Seeing the uproar from many fanfiction communities, such as LiveJournal, has given me the impression that they have literally been under a rock for the past decade. Everyone is aware of what goes on here - writing stories based upon literary properties - and yet those who have been doing it for this long seem to believe they have a special place in the internet that is untouchable and unseen.
Kinda silly.
Yes, that's totally it. We believe that TPTB all have magical Net Nanny on their computers which protects us on every site but FanLib. I don't even know what to say about this.
Anything on the web can be found if someone knows where to look. But you're right, given the overwhelming majority of women writing it, TPTB may not have done their homework, or perhaps they're trying to encourage more guys to write
TPTB at FanLib itself? I hope that's what he means.
Blah blah, more bryson having to point out he's male, then another sexist comment to, I guess... punish the others for making him point that out? I just don't know.
I too am puzzled by all the venom and brouhaha. TPTB know that in all except the most egregious cases (few and far between) fanfic actually boosts interest in their "product" be it films, tv series, etc and even extends the life of those that are no longer in production. Fanfic writers buy dvd's, novelizations, and attend cons and all of those support fandoms and of course benefit TPTB. High/low profile is a myth anyway... if you can Google for fan fic communities so can Sony and CBS, and Paramount etc.
Of course they can. I don't think anyone believes otherwise. So far, most IP holders have been pretty cool about their stuff getting ficced. They can afford this luxury, since no one's really been you know, throwing investor dollars at promoting the fic and/or shoving it in the creators' faces, which are pretty much the stated goals of FanLib. No one thinks other archives are somehow invisible from TPTB. What concerns many of us is the possible upset of this delicate symbiosis that's worked so well for so long.
I'm not sure how the cooperation between Fanlib and CBS came about but it was kind of like inviting the neighbors to your party to avoid complaints, win/win.
To take this analogy a step further, what if the neighbors get to your party and discover you have naked posters of them hanging in your bathroom? Remember folks, FanLib allows adult stories. And the biggest body of stories there are based on the work of a creator who's said publicly she doesn't appreciate the hard stuff all too much.
I just don't understand the uproar. Fanlib would be shut down already if TPTB had generic fanfic-oriented copyright concerns. I say relax and enjoy!
One more time: FanLib is trying to invent itself as something that is not just another archive. It's not "generic fanfic-oriented copyright concerns" that I think is worrying anyone, except as they may or may not be wielded as leverage once the ball of our very specific FanLib based concerns has dropped.
Next a mod post from the ever-logical bryson:
I have a kind of opinion about this. Seeing the uproar from many fanfiction communities, such as LiveJournal, has given me the impression that they have literally been under a rock for the past decade. Everyone is aware of what goes on here - writing stories based upon literary properties - and yet those who have been doing it for this long seem to believe they have a special place in the internet that is untouchable and unseen.
Kinda silly.
Yes, that's totally it. We believe that TPTB all have magical Net Nanny on their computers which protects us on every site but FanLib. I don't even know what to say about this.
Anything on the web can be found if someone knows where to look. But you're right, given the overwhelming majority of women writing it, TPTB may not have done their homework, or perhaps they're trying to encourage more guys to write
TPTB at FanLib itself? I hope that's what he means.
Blah blah, more bryson having to point out he's male, then another sexist comment to, I guess... punish the others for making him point that out? I just don't know.
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FanLib: Give us your fanfiction so we can make money off of it.
Icarus: Pourquoi? Not unless you pay me for my hard work and the original copyright holders for theirs.
FanLib: But ff.net rips you both off, too, making cash money! We're just open about it. And-and-- the makers of pens make money from you when you write fanfiction in your notebook. Lots and lots of people make money off fanfiction. So give us your fanfiction.
Icarus: Give me a reason to upload my stories to your site.
FanLib: We have a great site!
Icarus: Your site is gaudy and difficult to use.
FanLib: We love fanfiction!
Icarus: Your marketing brochure is insulting to fanfiction writers, characterizing them as dumb slackers who need to be carefully controlled. Your invitation letter insulted my intelligence.
You don't love fanfiction, you want to make money off of it.
FanLib: We're great people!
Icarus: Your CEO spammed us with angry comments. So, no, I'm not buying that either.
Can you give me even one reason to upload my stories to your site?
FanLib: You can get closer to the talent behind the shows.
Icarus: The talent behind my shows run personal blogs, answer my questions, and show up at conventions. Fans have helped market their off-side ventures. I see no evidence that you can surpass that close association.
I see only a couple fandoms that have an official association with FanLib whatsoever, and then only with your contests.
Nope, you're not bringing us closer.
FanLib: We offer an opportunity to get published!
Icarus: Through your contests. Not your fanfiction site. And only the Grand Prize Winner gets writing credit for a screenplay they write after the fact, with all rights to it signed away.
I think your contests are a raw deal. And they have nothing to do with the fanfiction.
So far you have nothing to offer me. Any other reasons for me to upload my stories?
FanLib: We provide a community for fanfiction writers.
Icarus: I'm part of a community of 40,000 active fanfiction writers, with a broader reach of about 80,000 fanfiction fans on LJ. I'm also tied to 7,000 Stargate Atlantis readers on their archive, and roughly 50,000 Harry Potter readers on Fiction Alley. Before FanLib, about 800 people had friended my LJ, almost entirely for the stories and recs.
You don't seem to realize that these community ties are more valuable to you than my fanfiction. This is the traffic that you need to make a profit.
By the way, this is the community that you pissed off by spamming them with angry comments.
Did I miss anything? Was there any good reason for me to post there? Was there an offer by FanLib or answer that I've forgotten? Did FanLib offer anything that I didn't hear about?
Icarus
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*cracks up*
I could use it to wash the car.