May. 23rd, 2007

[identity profile] anarchicq.livejournal.com
Ok, so it's been discovered that Fanlib has connections with the RIAA.

I ask the questions on behalf of all the little Fanlib users to delusioned by the validation of TPTB to actually research and think.

Who exactly is the RIAA?

Why does Fanlib's connection with them matter?
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[personal profile] ivorygates
http://www.fanlib.com/termsOfUse.do

Apparently this is the new one. And it states explicitly that "Content Providers" are being hung out to dry...
[identity profile] stewardess.livejournal.com
Livejournal and Blog Discussions

A BBC blogger writes: "Even if companies like Fan Lib were to create spaces protected from cease and desist notices, for some fans it would inevitably be a censored space." Now includes an audio interview with Henry Jenkins.

[livejournal.com profile] telesilla tells us why fanfiction matters to her, and why FanLib should not get its hands on it. Quote: "We are the latest in a long line of this kind of storytellers and when we're good, goddamn do we hit it out of the park."

[livejournal.com profile] kitesareevil looks behind the surface of FanLib and comes up with something deeply disturbing. This link-heavy read should not be missed! Quote: "Fanlib has been trying to take advantage of fandom since at least 2003, probably since 2001, and I have a hard time believing the fanfic authors interests are anywhere on the agenda."

[livejournal.com profile] megpie71 shares the answers to the questions she asked Fanlib. Only eight of seventeen have been answered so far.

[livejournal.com profile] entropy_house has been tracking the number of stories posted at FanLib. *grins*

[livejournal.com profile] bentley asks good questions about the current storm of blogging over FanLib. Quote: "What happens when people who don’t know the ‘cultural norms’ of fandom and its community discover this site which caters to them and not some elitist group of hobbyists?"

[livejournal.com profile] gunderpants wants her FanLib T-shirt, damn it!

[livejournal.com profile] methoschick points out something FanLib does not seem to have grasped yet: LJ is where most people play nowadays.

[livejournal.com profile] saeva offers a timely reminder that fandom does not need to fear exposure.

[livejournal.com profile] proggrrl wonders if companies like FanLib mean the establishment is ready to embrace fan creations.

[livejournal.com profile] lotesseflower says the two things she values most about fandom are the anonymity and the lack of pricetags.

[livejournal.com profile] stewardess [me] is laughing uproariously because FanLib left "/" out of its searchable character list. Trying to find a pairing? Too bad.




FanLib Enjoys The Taste Of Its Own Toes
After Chris Williams, FanLib CEO, flamed several Livejournal blogs, I assumed FanLib's employees would keep their public diarrhea diatribes to a minimum. But in FanLib's forums today, jdsampson, who works for FanLib in an unknown capacity, agreed with the statement, "Look at how LJ is totally full of sheeple sucking up to their perceived BNF and supressing their own thoughts when they deviate from the norm of whatever fandom circle they're a member of."

Large screenshot behind the cut for those of you who do not wish to visit the FanLib forum )

Jdsampson graciously adds, "...being part of our new community here doesn't mean you have to take a sword through the heart for us."

Apparently, FanLib will not be wooing the 86,000 livejournal members interested in fanfiction, a curious decision for a start-up with only 2400 members.

FanLib Buttons And Badges
It was asked in comments here today if you can use FanLib code to embed entire stories at other web sites. The answer appears to be no. You can only embed a graphic link, such as the one behind the cut. Embedding an entire story would not make sense for FanLib, because it would allow people to read content without seeing advertisements.

Example of a FanLib Button or Badge )

And Now For No words From Our Sponsor
I have yet to find a statement from a FanLib sponsor that supports, or even acknowledges, Fanlib's multi-fandom fanfiction archive. If you come across anything, please let me know.
[identity profile] house-illrepute.livejournal.com
EDIT: I feel compelled, with the various misunderstandings and tangents that the comments have, to preface this post with one fact: I am not defending FanLib in the slightest. I think the fact that they are marketing fanfic as if it is a-ok and legal when the law still says "maybe" is irresponsible and disgusting.



I fully plan on this post being woefully unpopular here, but I stand by it. So, here goes:

The business world can be a dastardly place, indeed, especially when it comes to corporations who have made billions and want to make more billions.

The RIAA connection is FanLib is questionable at best, shady at worst.

But if you guys think that are going to find evility™ in their TOS, you're fooling yourselves.

If you think you hadn't already agreed to similar terms with Livejournal, ff.net, or any of the other countless major journal/fanfic archives, then you're sadly mistaken.

The TOS is designed solely to protect the business. Period. LJ's is no different.

Let's look at LJ's TOS )


Myspace has it.
Facebook has it.
Google has it. <-- hell, how many @gmail.com do I see from LJ users?? Tonnes. AND THEY ARCHIVE EMAILS!!!!!

Everything, you send, receive, save is on a server. And, guess what, you've agreed to it by agreeing to their TOS, which has everything FanLib's has plus a couple extra things specific to their business needs. Now, so far Google has been pretty 'fuck you' to FBI and CIA when it comes to handing over records. That's a fact that has helped public opinion, but don't think in a way that, should their policy change, you'll be able to sue or protected from it or whatever... you won't be.

Now, that's not to say not to keep looking...

But, if you think that FanLib with its 'intellectual might' would put something blatantly in print that proves that they are evil Evil EVIL, you'll be looking for a long time. TOSs are about as neutral as possible they are designed to be, they NEED to be.

I do, however, think something much deeper than they are letting on is happening. So, here's my paranoia, coupled with parallelisms drawn from the music industry over the past 60+ years )

The best thing to do is to pay attention to any proposed changes of law, Congress, blogs dealing with the FanLib subject, and especially anything that has to do with someone challenging them to an interview (and their acceptance). Our time and energy shouldn't be wasted picking apart their TOS, especially when we freely use a service with a much similar one.


ADDENDUM-1: [livejournal.com profile] synecdochic does a wonderful analysis of LJ's ToS and FanLib's. The post can be found here. And I -- as well as others -- thank her (?) for the time taken to do this. However, one of the main issues that [livejournal.com profile] synecdochic has is the clause in FanLib's 'indemnity'.

You agree to defend, indemnify and hold harmless FanLib,


Basically, via 'defend', the clause allows FanLib to pass on any court case/fees to you, the author. When it was brought up that LJ could do similar by suing authors for 'breach of contract', [livejournal.com profile] synecdochic points out that they wouldn't because of the CDA, DMCA, and the 'safe harbour'. S/he then goes on to say:

(I know how LJ enforces things. I don't know how FanLib plans to.)


Which is well and good to know, but the fact that s/he had to pull information and add 2 and 2 from other sources other than the ToS merely proves my point: that you cannot determine intentions or 'evility' of a company by their ToS. You simply cannot. S/he's even had to pull information from outside the ToS to illustrate why s/he knows that LJ would never sue someone. But someone reading their ToS would not know this unless they were versed in the DMCA and what safe harbor means and she admits that she's worked 5 years in the industry. 98% have not.

The other issue that she had was with the difference between LJ's 'asking you to edit material' or FanLib having the right to 'remove your material without warning'.

Again, this is a cosmetic difference, and should definitely be a determining factor in whether or not you chose to host your fic there. But, it's not proof of shade, people. It's just how they'll handle fics that start to cause them problems. Apparently, there was a similar hooplah over ff.net when people found their fics suddenly gone... But again, this isn't unique. Myspace has this. We agree to this all the time. I count count how many times I logged on to Myspace to find a picture in my profile removed. Of course, they sent me an email saying why, which was nice of them, but they let it be known that they didn't have to even do that.

The reason why I make this addendum is because even now, people are pointing to her post as proof of Evility. They're practically saying "See? FanLib's ToS isn't the same as LJ's! EVIL!!!!" And, of course, that's a fallacy. LJ's ToS is different because: a) they're a different service and have different needs and b) they have other protections afforded to them from other documentations that are not provided by their ToS or even really mentioned. Regardless, their ToS acts like everyone else's ToS - THEIR PROTECTION. Not yours.

The ToS proves only that FanLib isn't the best place to host your fics and you shouldn't sign up for it. It proves nothing else. No evil plot, no dastardly deeds (tho' I do think there's something shady going on in the Publishing/screenplay/scriptwriting world... but it's not because of any I see in FanLib's ToS)

The point of this post wasn't to go tit-for-tat on LJs ToS versus FanLib's ToS. It was to prove that their ToS is pretty standard (it is) and nothing too unusual (it isn't).

That isn't to say I like 'em. I don't. Even if they were angels, there were no ulterior motives, and they didn't have the former president of RIAA as one of their top dogs, I would still prefer to host my fic here on LJ and other standard places where they're already at rather than host it at FanLib.

If this post has done anything, I hope it's gotten you to at least realise that you need to READ -- REALLY READ -- the ToS for everything: free webservice, Myspaces, Bulletin Boards, etc. Because that tells you where your protections END. [end addendum]
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Some people have asked if they could use this icon, and I've said yes, so I thought I'd set it free. I am inordinately pleased with myself for thinking of it and making it, so I'd love credit. Please don't hotlink or LJ will be mad at me.
[identity profile] seekergeek.livejournal.com
The quickest, best way to be rid of FanLib is to hit them where it hurts - their wallet. I suggest that everyone start writing to their advertisers and telling them in no uncertain terms that you will not  buy their product and will persuade your friends, relatives, children, neighbors and co-workers to not buy their products as well because they advertise on this unethical site.

Businesses that want to make a buck live in fear of word of mouth negative advertising because it is more effective and further reaching than all the positive advertising they pour millions into.  Companies will back out from advertising on FanLib faster than you can say Boo.

Deny FanLib money. After all, that's why they came up with this idea in the first place. No money, no FanLib.

ETA: So far, the only adverts I've seen on FanLib are Showtime and CBS related. I recommend that we write to *their* advertisers as well as them. Money speaks. We as fanfic writers and readers can't influence much. But we as *consumers* have a heck of a lot of power, especially if there are a bunch of us doing this.

ETA2: The address for the CBS Headquarters is: 51 West 52nd Street, New York, NY 10019-6188
The address for the Showtime Headquarters is: 1633 Broadway, New York, NY 10019

I don't get either of these stations on my dish so if folks who do could list their main advertisers, it would be a great help.
[identity profile] elle-dritch.livejournal.com
FanLib, and the resulting backlash, has been mentioned on the BBC Radio 5Live blogs site here, (second post down). The blogger, Chris Vallance, has apparently invited the FanLib board in for an interview. This should be interesting.

I've commented on the TOS and the irritating and fallacious "We're one of you" attitude of FanLib, but the comments are held for approval.
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Feel free to take it, repost it, rewrite the last panel, whatever. Credit is nice, of course, but it's just here for fun. :-)
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[personal profile] synecdochic
I've seen several people saying that the language in FanLib's ToS is no different than the language in any other online service provider's ToS (specifically LJ's), and that's simply not true -- there are some provisions in FanLib's ToS that are very different, and very disturbing to my eyes. If people are interested in why I think this, the full analysis is in my journal.

(For those of y'all who don't know me: hi, I'm the one on the LJ team who's always asking "but what can we do for fandom?")

I'm staying out of the arguments regarding FanLib itself, but I wanted to just clear up the ToS-related stuff. As I said there, I'm happy to clarify things further, though I am not a lawyer and I can't provide legal advice.

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