[identity profile] stewardess.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] life_wo_fanlib
December 28, 2007 — The Christian Science Monitor holds forth on the good and bad in the "digital race" of 2007. In their annual summing up, FanLib is the "bad" object lesson for "Web 2.0".

Digital race? WTF, dudes! It isn't a race, it's a freaking big bang spreading outwards in every direction.

The corporate attitude towards "Web 2.0" is so darn inane, based on the belief businesses can, and should, shape the Internet into nothing more than a customer support and marketing research group. For the company's benefit, of course. Assholes!

CSM: Fans responded by dissecting and criticizing content on the FanLib site and eventually forming their own site dedicated to archiving and protecting fan fiction, called the Organization for Transformative Works... The takeaway? Companies need to understand what motivates audiences before creating business models around them.

The takeaway? Oh, please! The Internet is not all about the corporate bottom line! The Christian Science Monitor is falling into the FanLib trap here, judging Internet "success" by how thoroughly customers are exploited.

Yes, my period is over. Why do you ask? *munches chocolate-drizzled caramel corn*

Note: The Christian Science Monitor has a circulation of 70,000, and an estimated online readership worldwide of at least two million. It is the largest news service to carry a FanLib story (negative or positive) so far. Before this article, FanLib was mentioned only in trade and academic news publications with circulation of at most 20,000.

Date: 2007-12-30 03:17 am (UTC)
ext_1683: (Default)
From: [identity profile] liresius.livejournal.com
Oh, Fanlib were "THE BAD"! LOL! Thanks for the link!

Date: 2007-12-30 08:58 am (UTC)
ext_1683: (Default)
From: [identity profile] liresius.livejournal.com
Oh yes! *g*

Date: 2007-12-30 03:36 am (UTC)
ext_197528: (Fai-Gay and sparkly)
From: [identity profile] kurenai-tenka.livejournal.com
...proving that we can get our message across just as well as they can and without a budget? XD;

Date: 2007-12-30 05:54 am (UTC)
ext_3440: (fanlib)
From: [identity profile] tejas.livejournal.com
*Better* than they can.

Morons.

Date: 2007-12-30 02:09 pm (UTC)
ext_197528: (Default)
From: [identity profile] kurenai-tenka.livejournal.com
Assuming they remembered them, of course. XD

Date: 2007-12-30 04:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angiepen.livejournal.com
I think it's a step in the right direction that they even recognized that FanLib fucked up; they could easily have tsk-tsked the selfish, whiny fans or something. The whole point of the article was the relationship between big business and the "new" internet, so it's not at all surprising that they took the POV what companies can do online for their own benefit.

Angie

Date: 2007-12-30 04:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lttledvl.livejournal.com
Perhaps one day corporate America will understand social networking is not something they can buy or build, but people, millions of them. Right now, though, they believe it is a magical, inexhaustible gold mine. It will be the next bubble to burst.

I don't see that happeninng until companies (US or otherwise) realize that not everything in the world is sellable. Though admittly, they are pushing that route too.

Date: 2007-12-30 06:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angiepen.livejournal.com
But if you're publishing Pro Athlete magazine (or trying to get a certain target population to come and "live" at your Virtual Sports Field social networking site), and you're selling ad space in whichever of those venues, then that baseball player is your audience. That's how they're looking at it. FanLib isn't there primarily to spread fanfic around -- they're there to sell contests and ad space, and the fanfic is just the lure they use to attract their target audience.

I think that line you quoted is right on, actually. Before these business models of theirs will work, they need to understand who the audience is (in FanLib's business, that'd be us, but it might be that pro baseball player or anyone else, depending on whom they're targetting) and what our values are and what our culture is like and what we'll respond positively or negatively to. That's why the IJ guy's business model is working, with all those ads plastered all over his site but with people like you and me and a bunch of other folks who are angry with FanLib or LJ all fine with it and with him. While LJ (with a lot fewer ads-per-user, if you get right down to it) and FanLib just pissed people off. It's not so much what they're doing (OMG ads!!) as how they're going about it, how they're presenting it, and how stupid they think we are. It's not knowing the audience. It's exactly a problem of creating (or modifying, in LJ's case) business models without understanding the audience they're designed to work with.

We might not like being thought of as an audience, or as a target for business models, but that's one of the attitudes that has to be understood by any company that wants to build a business around fannish works. The only way any of CSM's readers are going to have any interest in fannish works (unless it's in the social section of the paper and someone's ranting about immorality or whatever, but that's another issue) is from a business perspective, so it makes perfect sense that they'd see us as the audience. Yes, we're producers, but from the POV of the target audience for that article (see, they're an audience too), we're still an audience to be marketed to. That's not necessarily a bad thing, in and of itself. But if Entrepreneur X or Company Y wants to market to us, they need to understand us, which includes understanding our dislike of being blatantly exploited, condescended to, lied to, or generally disrespected or used. That's part of playing the game and FanLib fucked it up six ways from Sunday. Someone else might come along who can make money marketing to us -- offering something we want and can't provide for ourselves, and offering it fairly and respectfully, with no hidden gotchas and without violating any of fandom's values or traditions. That person or company will be welcomed by fandom, because they'll be trading value for value without dissing us or planning to leave us holding the bag if it all goes pear-shaped.

I don't mind being considered a target audience. I do mind being believed to be so damn stupid that some get-rich-quick asshole thinks he can get me to buy a crock of shit and do the work of shovelling it onto my own head. But if someone intelligent who's willing to do his or her homework thinks they can offer me something I want for a fair price (whether that's a direct payment or the right kinds of ads or whatever they can come up with), with a respectful attitude that makes me feel good about doing business with them -- hey, bring it on.

I'm waiting.

[crickets]

[tumbleweed]

:P

It's not that it's impossible. It's just that no one's thought of a way to do it yet. It'll be interesting to look back in ten or twenty years and see whether anyone's come up with anything that works.

Angie
Edited Date: 2007-12-30 06:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angiepen.livejournal.com
I see where you're coming from, and I agree with what you're saying. The corporations just don't understand what it's all about. And I agree that it's because they're still seeing us as a passive mass of wallets to which they can peddle stuff.

But I'm considering the possibility that that basic misunderstanding is fixable. :) Maybe it is and maybe it's not, but I don't see the clueless stupidity of FanLib or LJ or anyone else as conclusive proof that it can never be done right.

It's like, I hate commercials in general. We have a DVR and record pretty much everything, then watch programs while skipping through commercials.

However, I do like movie trailers, and every now and then I'll see something that looks like an interesting movie trailer. So I'm all, skip, skip, skip-- Wait! Backupbackupbackup! And I'll watch the trailer. Or a commercial for a new TV show will catch my eye (anything with Alton Brown on Foot Network, ferinstance). Or just a commercial with a really cute puppy. [duck] So we skip over like 98% of the commercials, but there are some we'll back up for, and occasionally (usually with movie trailers) a commercial gives me information I'm actually pleased to get. So from my POV as an individual TV watcher, commercials can be done right; they just aren't done right very often. But just thinking with my keyboard here, if there were some way of filling out a survey to tell the networks, "OK, give me movie previews, and commercials for new (not existing, but NEW) TV programs featuring [this list of variables], and any commercial that has at least ten seconds of a cute puppy," that'd work. If I could get that and nothing but that, I'd probably watch all the commercials. At least until they started repeating.

My point, though, is that commercials on TV are something a lot of people, including me, really hate, but there are exceptions. And some way of making sure I only saw the commercials I really want to see would make commercial support of TV really work again. Right now, commercial TV is sort of coasting. Everyone knows that more and more people record shows and skip commercials, and the networks have been scrambling for a new business model. (When their execs haven't been throwing tantrums about how people who skip commercials are committing theft or whatever. [eyeroll]) But for me at least, it could work.

And something similar could work online too. If they could figure out how not to piss people off, which would of course have to start by not trying to make money off of fanfiction, which could bring the house down on all of us. (That needs to be a car on the Clue Train, seriously.) And if they could figure out how to show us ads we want to see, rather than just ads from the 4.5 companies that've contracted with them to advertise. A large chunk of the problem is that I'm just not interested in Pepsi Free or whatever, no matter how much money Pepsi pays LJ to sneak ads for it onto my computer screen. After that fiasco, I wouldn't try Pepsi Free (or whatever it was called) if someone offered me a free can, so that definitely Did Not Work from Pepsi's POV.

So it's to their benefit as well to figure out a mode, a strategy, a model, a paradigm -- something -- that'll show me ads I'm actively interested in seeing, and do it without pissing me off in any other way. No one's figured it out yet, and it's going to be tough. It might require something completely new and different in the whole ad-supported-whatever concept to get it to work, particularly as it involves the whole social networking thing. But I'm not willing to swear that no one will ever figure it out. I'm not holding my breath, mind you, but I expect there's a chance it'll come along some day, whether or not it's within my lifetime. Maybe.

And I think FanLib was doing okay until they went after fanfiction in general. I have no interest in their studio/publisher-supported contests, but I don't find them actively offensive either. If they'd stayed there, I'd have no argument with them. It was the whole fanfic archive deal where they really blew it IMO. :/

Angie
From: [identity profile] angiepen.livejournal.com
You've got to be a registered member to read that. :/ Give me the gist, maybe...?

Angie

Profile

life_wo_fanlib: (Default)
Life Without FanLib

January 2015

S M T W T F S
    123
45678910
11121314151617
181920212223 24
25262728293031

Style Credit

Expand Cut Tags

No cut tags
Page generated Jul. 26th, 2025 09:32 am
Powered by Dreamwidth Studios